Hfuhruhurr wrote:Ip Man wrote:^^ Guys, apart from what you've all mentioned above on rental, transport, nightlife and size of the 2 cities. Would you take into account of better service, nice delicious food, cheaper groceries, cheaper wine, fresh groceries, cheaper shopping, more varieties of brands to choose for shopping, no great firewall of china, freedom of speech and last but not least less chinese barbarian behavior. When all these minor issues put into your balance scale. Would you consider staying in HK over SH?
Strictly my personal opinion.
better service: highend to highend, SH isn't noticeably worse than HK. HK wins on the low-mid end, if one does not frequent the low-mid end places, it makes little difference to them.
nice delicious food: no question, HK is better. Shanghai is blooming, give it several more years it will have more to offer. That being said, size still matters, I ran out of places to eat in HK after few months, here in Shanghai I didn't even get outside of Luwan and Huangpu district.
cheaper groceries fresh groceries: i don't hook at all, so that's of no concern to me, although I would assume Shanghai has fresh groceries too.
cheaper wine: eliminating taxes on wine is one of the good things HK government did

but from what I could tell, at restaurants, that saving did not really get passed onto customers. it's only cheaper if you buy it from liquor store, again i don't hook so i don't really drink at home.
cheaper shopping: no doubt, designer brands are tax free. HK is one of the best shopping cities in the world.
more varieties of brands for shopping: hmm, i think SH is got every brand there is in HK, no?
no great firewall: i don't do any of the online networking site, so facebook and etc don't matter to me. it does suck though that i can't get on youporn.com

freedom of speech: those are big talks

not that i am ever eager to exercise that rights outside of china. in china so far i feel no need to say anything i am not allowed to.
chinese barbarian behavior: you mean like someone once said here a kid was taking a sh1t in a restaurant?

what can i say? don't go to lowend places then you don't have problems.
The above being said, It really depends on the individual, what stage in life he/she is in, what his/her priorities are .... if i were to have a family, eat most of meals at home, don't go out much, hk and singapore will be looking pretty good to me.