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Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby tyap » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:54 pm

I'm trying to decide between Yanlord Garden and Shimao Riviera. The Yanlord apartment is in Phase 3, Building 11 and the Shimao apartment is in Building 1. I have a 2 year old daughter and think the gardens and outdoor playgrounds at Yanlord are excellent. However, Shimao has a lovely beach and clubhouse and I'm not sure which would be a better environment for my little girl. Is there anyone with any advice?
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Postby taffyinchina » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:15 am

I have just moved into Yanlord building 11. The facilities here are excellent for children (although I have none myself we have loads of amily and friends visiting with young children so it was a good reason to move here). I cannot say much about Shimao as I have only seen 2 apartments there but they do seem more modern and spacious, whereas the Yanlord apartments seem alot older and may need more maintenance. However, Yanlord have 2 balconies one off the main living area which I think is better than Shimao having either no balcony or one of a guest bedroom? It all depends on your priorities. If hotel style apartments and no balconies are good for you then Shimao...if you want balcony, closer to metro and town but don't mnd a "not so elegant" apartment then Yanlord is a good choice. Oh and the English spoken by Yanlord staff isn't so good but your agent can help with that. Yanlord seems safe for children with at least 2 lifeguards at the large pools and they seem well maintained. There are lots of play areas for children. Hope this helps!
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Postby jimandcoco » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:26 am

Mind you this was 3 years ago...I spoke to a person who owned an apartment in Yanlord and one in Shimao. He liked Yanlord better because it seemed like it had more of a family atmosphere. Yanlord has a kindergarten. I'm not sure if Shimao does or not.

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Postby rxg » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:46 am

What is a reasonable price for Shimao for 3 bedrooms (appx 230 sq meter) above 30 floor, nice view hideous furniture?
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Postby CoffeeHawk_0 » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:09 am

^$1500/mo less than whatever they tell you
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby tesibria » Wed May 29, 2013 5:01 am

Ok - this post is years old, but I'm wondering whether anyone has any updated information on whether - today/in 2013 - Shimao or Yanlord is better (for couple with 2 indoor cats; no kids). We're moving in next two months and trying to decide ....
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby wagnett » Wed May 29, 2013 7:05 am

There's another thread where folks are discussing clubhouse access at Shimao Riv.
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby expatguy1 » Wed May 29, 2013 7:42 am

I have lived in both and currently in Shimao. SDHimao has bigger more modern apartmemts, staff is ok, both great, but still better than Yanlord. Clubhouses at Shimao are better overall, pools are better at SHimao.

It really is a personal choice. We prefer Shimao over Yanlord after living in both places
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Klick » Wed May 29, 2013 12:56 pm

Both are fine. If you had kids Yanlord would have the edge. Also if you don't have a driver and want easier access to the metro, Yanlord has two lines (9 and 2) a block away; Shimao is a bit further of a walk (which matters A LOT when is it balls hot or crappy wet cold.) But Shimao is close to the shops and bars on Weifang, which is nice. But at the end of the day you'll probably be happy at either, so pick the apartment you like best and the external stuff will all fall into place.
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Chavster » Wed May 29, 2013 2:58 pm

I was at Yanlord visiting a co-worker the other day. Thought the place was a bit of a dump. Seemed tatty, generic and under-managed to me....
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Klick » Wed May 29, 2013 4:50 pm

Chavster wrote:I was at Yanlord visiting a co-worker the other day. Thought the place was a bit of a dump. Seemed tatty, generic and under-managed to me....


It's true that the buildings are a bit bland, but to be honest I have not seen many residential places that are all that architecturally interesting anyway. Not sure what you mean by 'tatty' - the upkeep of the grounds here is consistently good (watching them re-sod the golf greens from where I sit at the moment), and the gardens are always extremely well tended. I wouldn't mind seeing the hallway of my building repainted, but in general I feel the upkeep here is pretty good. Of any complaints I may have, under-management is certainly not one (if anything, the opposite.) It's not paradise, but we've been really happy here for 4 years and considering that mr.klick now works on the opposite side of town, we did consider leaving - but decided that we really like it here, so not worth the trouble to find something else.
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Postby Chavster » Thu May 30, 2013 8:19 am

Just to clarify - I was at the Yanlord way out in Hongqiao. I guess there is another one over on the Dong side?
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby expatguy1 » Thu May 30, 2013 8:55 am

Chavster wrote:Just to clarify - I was at the Yanlord way out in Hongqiao. I guess there is another one over on the Dong side?



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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Klick » Thu May 30, 2013 10:17 am

Chavster wrote:Just to clarify - I was at the Yanlord way out in Hongqiao. I guess there is another one over on the Dong side?


Yep, you were at a different one. Although I gather the layout and building style of the one near HQ is almost the same as the one here in Lujiazui. Haven't actually been out there myself.
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby China Doll » Thu May 30, 2013 12:22 pm

Shimao Riviera, no doubt. Much better facilities and great service.
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Postby expatguy1 » Thu May 30, 2013 1:42 pm

China Doll wrote:Shimao Riviera, no doubt. Much better facilities and great service.



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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby tesibria » Fri May 31, 2013 9:42 pm

Thank you all - this is so helpful. My impression from visiting both for short period was that Shimao had better general upkeep - and we only saw one apt in each (it was "familiarization trip" .. going back now for househunting trip) -- they just seemed nicer. Although the Yanlord apartment itself that we saw was very nice and significantly larger, we had to wait a while to get to the apt ... due to some troubles with the elevator. (Not exactly a good first impression.) And, the common facilities at Yanlord looked a lot older/more worn down than the Shimao facilities.

I did see the other thread re: use of gym at Shimao and that would be a big issue > as my hubby is a bit of a workout freak. (Now I, on the other hand, am happy to get on a bike and read my kindle for 30 minutes and consider that a good workout :).

We have no kids (but 2 cats) ...

Klick wrote:But Shimao is close to the shops and bars on Weifang, which is nice. But at the end of the day you'll probably be happy at either, so pick the apartment you like best and the external stuff will all fall into place.

Doesn't it matter which building in Shimao you are in? I've heard that quality ... and convenience .. varies depending on which building you get, but I don't have a clear understanding of that yet. We will have a driver ... but we ALSO will want to walk to shops/bars and/or take ferry over to Puxi pretty regularly in evenings, so that does matter. (Not interested in being able to walk to a US-style shopping mall complex ... very interested in being able to walk to bars/restaurants in evening.)

Klick wrote:But at the end of the day you'll probably be happy at either, so pick the apartment you like best and the external stuff will all fall into place.

You're probably right!

Now, a follow-up: How can one get a listing of all available apts within price range at a compound? We have a "relo specialist/agent" assigned to us, but have heard from others that it is a significant challenge to get the agent to show ALL available apts within price range -- they only want to show the ones they've listed or have some deal with. I understand that one can't rely on what's listed on the web ... but we can't be sure agent is showing all available options ... but we want to see ALL available options to pick the best bang for the buck. So - ... how to do that??
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Klick » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:02 am

Good luck with that. I will say this: you will make yourself crazy if you carry on with the notion that if you could just see more, more, more you will find the perfect one. I promise you: every single place you look at in either compound, really anywhere, will be deeply flawed in some way. Maybe everything about the apartment is great, but the landlord is a Shanghai Dragon Lady and every day of living there will be a pain in the butt. Maybe the decor is gorgeous and the landlord great, but 2 days after the first real rain the entire laundry room is one giant mold pit. And on and on. You will drive yourself nuts if you persist in thinking that if only you just kept looking, if you could get into more units, you would find the best one ever. It's an easy trap to fall into, but make no mistake, it's a trap.
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Postby expatguy1 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:38 am

Klick wrote:Good luck with that. I will say this: you will make yourself crazy if you carry on with the notion that if you could just see more, more, more you will find the perfect one. I promise you: every single place you look at in either compound, really anywhere, will be deeply flawed in some way. Maybe everything about the apartment is great, but the landlord is a Shanghai Dragon Lady and every day of living there will be a pain in the butt. Maybe the decor is gorgeous and the landlord great, but 2 days after the first real rain the entire laundry room is one giant mold pit. And on and on. You will drive yourself nuts if you persist in thinking that if only you just kept looking, if you could get into more units, you would find the best one ever. It's an easy trap to fall into, but make no mistake, it's a trap.


+1 on this for sure.You will never find the perfect place. We live in Shimao, have a great place, modern, good furnishings, but we also have some problems as well, but they dont out weigh our priorities.

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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Romeolo888 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:10 pm

Been living at Yanlord Garden for over 3 years now. I think its a very good place to live. I haven't seen Shimao's appartments so cannot really compare. Probably both are equal to each other in terms of quality, location, and facilities. Although the Yanlord GYM REALLY REALLY Sucks even if it has been renovated recently.

There is also a ferry crossing close by, and MTR station is very near 东昌路。 I think wherever you stay it will be a good choice either Yanlord or Shimao.

I have a question, indoor cats are cats that never need to go out?

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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby tesibria » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:42 am

Klick wrote:Good luck with that. I will say this: you will make yourself crazy if you carry on with the notion that if you could just see more, more, more you will find the perfect one. I promise you: every single place you look at in either compound, really anywhere, will be deeply flawed in some way. Maybe everything about the apartment is great, but the landlord is a Shanghai Dragon Lady and every day of living there will be a pain in the butt. Maybe the decor is gorgeous and the landlord great, but 2 days after the first real rain the entire laundry room is one giant mold pit. And on and on. You will drive yourself nuts if you persist in thinking that if only you just kept looking, if you could get into more units, you would find the best one ever. It's an easy trap to fall into, but make no mistake, it's a trap.


Just to be clear, I don't expect to find a perfect one by any stretch. No such thing exists. (My current house is far from perfect ...!)

I just want to see our options -- what's the best deal for us -- rather than only see those apts owned by the agent's friends/contacts -- which is what I've heard from others using the same agent company has occurred in the past a couple times.
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Adrienne » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:44 pm

I know exactly what you mean tesibria however unfortunately with the corrupt practices in this industry the end user (yourself) is sadly the last person they are considering. In a nutshell, in order for agencies to get a preferred agency agreement with either a company or a relocation agency they must share a good part of their commission with the HR manager, GM or whoever signs their agreement. Therefore, with more palms to grease the agent gets less commission in the end so they are forced to jack up the prices and show you only the places that have a favourable return for them. If you presented a number of genuine options to them and the landlord wasn't willing to pay them enough commission then they would just make up some story as to why you couldn't see it like it was rented out, they couldn't reach the landlord as they are overseas, the landlord is not a nice guy, the property has some problems etc., etc. The only thing you can do to have some control is to demand to see more and more places. Once you find a nice place that suits most of your needs and requirements have a long wish list and budge little from it. If you stick to your guns they may be forced to give up some commission as the landlord may deduct some for extra goodies you require. However, I suggest not to be too tough as you may loose a nice place and have to start all over again. You could check with the good folk on the forum here about your deal and check if it is reasonable. You could PM me and ask as well as I am an expat agent and more than happy to give my two bob's worth.

It is such a crazy system and keeps rental prices high because there is no competition to bring them down. The lower end doesn't suffer from inflated prices as much as there is more healthy competition.

Well, I am sorry I couldn't bring you better news but hope with perseverence you find a nice apartment at one of the two compounds.

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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Adrienne » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:58 pm

Chavster wrote:Just to clarify - I was at the Yanlord way out in Hongqiao. I guess there is another one over on the Dong side?


That one is called Yanlord Riviera. I personally think that out of all the Yanlord developments I have seen, this is actually the least shabby. There are three phases though and you may well have been to the oldest one. I guess everyone has a different interpretation of shabby. :wink:

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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby welshkiwi » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:10 am

Tesibria, you won't have an issue with the gym at Shimao , the issue is mainly with outside/western coaches being brought in by westerners to teach their children swimming. soccer, etc. There are two clubhouses, and the facilities are excellent.....both have a gym, 25m indoor pool, fitness classes ( mostly free, but some being charged for now I see, e.g. 2 spin classes are free, but a third new one is now being charged for??) Membership entitles you to use both club houses. Oh, also a great outdoor wave pool, squash, tennis, badminton/basketball hall.
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Postby welshkiwi » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:11 am

ps, only issue my husband has, is the gym doesn't open until 7am.
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Postby tesibria » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:12 am

welshkiwi wrote:ps, only issue my husband has, is the gym doesn't open until 7am.

Oh - well that is a bit of an issue for those who want to work out before going to work .. guess I'll just have to start working .. later :)

Thanks much for the insight!
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby DgmTexas » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:15 am

Hi Folks

I have been in Shanghai now for a week, and I was taken to Yanlord the other day, shown 3 identical places, 3 bedrooms. One was a real dump, agent said all 3 were 20,000 Yuan. Needless to say, I don't trust him, since I have seen these apartments in the paper for 14,000 Yun. This has been a real learning experience. Is it common for agents to try and get more than the landlord is really asking?

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Postby expatguy1 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:27 am

DgmTexas wrote:Hi Folks

I have been in Shanghai now for a week, and I was taken to Yanlord the other day, shown 3 identical places, 3 bedrooms. One was a real dump, agent said all 3 were 20,000 Yuan. Needless to say, I don't trust him, since I have seen these apartments in the paper for 14,000 Yun. This has been a real learning experience. Is it common for agents to try and get more than the landlord is really asking?

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Postby tesibria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:22 am

DgmTexas wrote:Hi Folks

I have been in Shanghai now for a week, and I was taken to Yanlord the other day, shown 3 identical places, 3 bedrooms. One was a real dump, agent said all 3 were 20,000 Yuan. Needless to say, I don't trust him, since I have seen these apartments in the paper for 14,000 Yun. This has been a real learning experience. Is it common for agents to try and get more than the landlord is really asking?

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From reading this forum, I think it's at least equally common for there to be listings of apartments for less than the actual apartment (along with "fake pics" such that you may or may not have seen the apartment that was listed in the paper).
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Re: Shimao Riviera Garden vs Yanlord Garden

Postby Abcshanghai » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:32 am

Whats the general rule of thumb when negotiating either Shimao Riviera or Yandlord Garden?

How much can one negotiate to lower the asking price?
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