Gmbori wrote:America was asking for trouble this time.

They performed those lengthly maneuvers in the Yellow Sea for no good reason. The Sea of Japan was open to them, but no, they had to move to China's doorstep so one of their ships (the USS George Washington I think) could check out the main land with surveillance equipment, all while keeping tabs on North Korea.

I mean, there were various other seas they could've moved to. They could've even done the maneuvers on the outer areas of the Yellow Sea, yet the insisted on driving forward until they hit the mainland.

Just a few comments.

1) The maneuvers are not in the Yellow Sea, but in the Sea of Japan, East of Korea. The ones in the Yellow Sea still have to start. The total time will span about 1 month.

2) The USS George Washington is not really equipped for high level sigint and elint operations. Other vessels like the USS Blue Ridge for example are much better equipped, and don't have to come as close as the Yellow Sea, to listen about 4000 km inland.

3) However it is a very good opportunity to gain ASW info for future use.

4) I think that this is a very strong and important signal to the Peking regime, that the US and their allies have, and will use, the right of unrestricted shipping and operating in international waters. I think it is also a reassurance for the SE Asian nations that are threatened by China's expansionism.

"SnappySammy"]Many lawyers are Jewish. so no surprise.
Because the above post inflamed my curiosity I looked up how many of the 44 US Presidents were lawyers =27.
Scroll down the list and it looks like nearly half were lawyers.( How Many were Jewish lawyers
SO How many of the 27 presidents who were lawyers were also Jewish....

Seems off topic but if people read the thread they will see the subplot.

Sammy It caught my curiousity as well... (Ref: my posts above).

In wiki Q and A. No idea if it is right or someone's humour.

[quote]A majority of our presidents have been Jewish. The first Jewish president was none other than the father of our country and our first president, George Washington. All of our Jewish presidents have changed their last names to avoid anti-Semitism. For example, Abraham Lincoln was born Abraham Linkenstein[/quote

Back to the OP's question. "So . . . will war happen?"

Eventually, somewhere, sometime. But those currently predicting it are out to lunch.

Andreas wrote:4) I think that this is a very strong and important signal to the Peking regime, that the US and their allies have, and will use, the right of unrestricted shipping and operating in international waters. I think it is also a reassurance for the SE Asian nations that are threatened by China's expansionism.

Andreas, need not underestimate Pekin's Elders .. one push a bottom "SELL" American papers will increase deficit of american budget for 1 Trillion Dollars. No ships, planes, bomb, etc .. Just deficit of confidence in the dollar ... and America may comeback to Stone Age aka GOLD STANDARD. NOBODY want it.

PS: Only God may save America.

Andreas wrote:

Gmbori wrote:America was asking for trouble this time.

They performed those lengthly maneuvers in the Yellow Sea for no good reason. The Sea of Japan was open to them, but no, they had to move to China's doorstep so one of their ships (the USS George Washington I think) could check out the main land with surveillance equipment, all while keeping tabs on North Korea.

I mean, there were various other seas they could've moved to. They could've even done the maneuvers on the outer areas of the Yellow Sea, yet the insisted on driving forward until they hit the mainland.

Just a few comments.

1) The maneuvers are not in the Yellow Sea, but in the Sea of Japan, East of Korea. The ones in the Yellow Sea still have to start. The total time will span about 1 month.

2) The USS George Washington is not really equipped for high level sigint and elint operations. Other vessels like the USS Blue Ridge for example are much better equipped, and don't have to come as close as the Yellow Sea, to listen about 4000 km inland.

3) However it is a very good opportunity to gain ASW info for future use.

4) I think that this is a very strong and important signal to the Peking regime, that the US and their allies have, and will use, the right of unrestricted shipping and operating in international waters. I think it is also a reassurance for the SE Asian nations that are threatened by China's expansionism.

expansionism? haha o my god... and the bittches expanded over 10,000 miles to someone's door steps to do target pratice... and this idiot here is saying china expansionism? god dam... unbelievable

they only went to japan sea is because china said it will shoot the thing if it comes in.

and yeah... lets do some missiles tests and most advanced jet test and tracking off the coast hollywood beach or NY city beaches.

man, the idiots here are unbelievable.

god wrote:they only went to japan sea is because china said it will shoot the thing if it comes in.

What are they going to do? Throw stinky tofu at them, or show them your women?

@OP. If I were you, I'd worry more about dying from stupidity than from war...

^ like i said idiots here... only can say stupid things

Hm, so seems that this tread is a political argument... Yes, its a very good idea to argue about politics or religion... especially on internet...

by victorinchina » 30 Jul 2010 13:44

@OP. If I were you, I'd worry more about dying from stupidity than from war...

Hahahaha

idiot wrote:

Andreas wrote:4) I think that this is a very strong and important signal to the Peking regime, that the US and their allies have, and will use, the right of unrestricted shipping and operating in international waters. I think it is also a reassurance for the SE Asian nations that are threatened by China's expansionism.

Andreas, need not underestimate Pekin's Elders .. one push a bottom "SELL" American papers will increase deficit of american budget for 1 Trillion Dollars. No ships, planes, bomb, etc .. Just deficit of confidence in the dollar ... and America may comeback to Stone Age aka GOLD STANDARD. NOBODY want it.

PS: Only God may save America.

And why do you think China does not do it? "One push of a button", and China ruins its biggest market, and by doing so, ruins its own economy. You think China will take that risk? Absolutely not. It would be incredibly stupid. It's a good thing for China's 1.3 billion people that you're not in charge.

Very true.

china should plan some mines there... blow the fuccker up

anter wrote:

"SnappySammy"]Many lawyers are Jewish. so no surprise.
Because the above post inflamed my curiosity I looked up how many of the 44 US Presidents were lawyers =27.
Scroll down the list and it looks like nearly half were lawyers.( How Many were Jewish lawyers
SO How many of the 27 presidents who were lawyers were also Jewish....

Seems off topic but if people read the thread they will see the subplot.

Sammy It caught my curiousity as well... (Ref: my posts above).

In wiki Q and A. No idea if it is right or someone's humour.

A majority of our presidents have been Jewish. The first Jewish president was none other than the father of our country and our first president, George Washington. All of our Jewish presidents have changed their last names to avoid anti-Semitism. For example, Abraham Lincoln was born Abraham Linkenstein[/quote

Wiki was wrong.

Not one of the 43 different POTUS (One had two terms not served consecutively) was Jewish. Not all were religious either. It was said that Lincoln was christian but without a "home" church.

minyanville wrote:Hm, so seems that this tread is a political argument... Yes, its a very good idea to argue about politics or religion... especially on internet...

You must be very young Minyanville, later your attention is redirected to other sacred and profane things.

rickettyrabbit wrote:And why do you think China does not do it? "One push of a button", and China ruins its biggest market, and by doing so, ruins its own economy. You think China will take that risk? Absolutely not. It would be incredibly stupid. It's a good thing for China's 1.3 billion people that you're not in charge.

Seems what US seek for conflict when all debts will be forgiven (smart idea). So China unwilling do that because at last it is peaceful (good or bad) society and they used to make money with work(hard and less paid), but no aggressive wars.

What is 1 Trillion Dollars ? Actually total value of US property market is about 10 Trillions USD, so Chinese "virtually" owning EVERY tenth AMERICAN HOME. You can imagine, what country called CHIMERICA.

I am certain that many here are aware that just last year, the Chinese military
launched a rocket that if armed, could have effortlessly destroyed a aircraft carrier, over 4,000
miles (6,400 km) from Chinese territorially claimed waters. That is the maximum distance that
can be flown by an American fighter jets..I foresee no problems save for the repossession papers
in the near future. The Americans have no quarrel with the Chinese...after all, the Chinese are the new Jewish bankers for the Obama administration.
By the way, not my beliefs, nor my fight, by why are so many under the belief that the Jews have all
the wealth of the world? It is a known fact that the five wealthiest humans alive are all Muslim.

idiot wrote:What is 1 Trillion Dollars ? Actually total value of US property market is about 10 Trillions USD, so Chinese "virtually" owning EVERY tenth AMERICAN HOME. You can imagine, how scared it is.

Ah yes the uninformed "China owns the US" point of view.

Figures from earlier this year:

Japan owned $768.8 billion of US debt,

China owned $755.4 billion

China are not even the single largest holder. When was the last time that you heard someone saying that Japan owns the US?

hammerforlife wrote:China are not even the single largest holder. When was the last time that you heard someone saying that Japan owns the US?

http://www.ustreas.gov/tic/mfh.txt

May 2010, China: 867.7 billions

10 Top holders owns 3 Trillion of American Treasures (or 30% of American property Market). Imagine it.

WORLD:"Dear American Friends .. please don't forget WHO FEED YOU mothertakers !!!"

Idiot, what is your theory about the effect on China's economy if the US decides to stop buying your products? Do you think China actually "feeds" the US, or does it simply provide consumer goods which US consumers could easily do without?

rickettyrabbit wrote:Idiot, what is your theory about the effect on China's economy if the US decides to stop buying your products? Do you think China actually "feeds" the US, or does it simply provide consumer goods which US consumers could easily do without?

That's not the same as you see it. About 60% of all these goods manufactured under American brands and owned by American companies. So, do you think they will voluntarily refuse to shake "money tree" of American consumers? Ha-ha-ha... No.
Riches gains more, poorest sells last crap, that is normal capitalistic model of the World. And USA economic does not work anymore, wherever they ordering in China, India or Bangladesh.

END of Western World. Century of Asia.

rickettyrabbit wrote:...China actually "feeds" the US...

Yes, China support USA in fear to lost market, lost all the investments if US will going bankrupt. Understandable, all these things are not forever. Imagine, if finally China will sell more to other countries and supply own market.. here will be END of "feeding", end of "American Dream" and End of America like "world killing power, blah-blah-blah"

Remember USSR ? Clock ticking .. http://www.usdebtclock.org/#

So, "idiot", did you get banned as Dr Watson?

coxaca wrote:So, "idiot", did you get banned as Dr Watson?

...can't resist don't ask... are you pregnant by alien ???
Don't be nervous, mommy

PS: Seems what i affected virtual life of coxasa - he changed own avatar.

rickettyrabbit wrote:Idiot, what is your theory about the effect on China's economy if the US decides to stop buying your products? Do you think China actually "feeds" the US, or does it simply provide consumer goods which US consumers could easily do without?

Your question contains a false dilemma. The Chinese government has very wisely exploited the American focus on short term profits in order to build up domestic (Chinese) economic infrastructure. The question is rather this: now that America has allowed its domestic manufacturing infrastructure to erode, what will happen when America can no longer afford to import cheap goods? Warren Buffett described the inevitable crisis elegantly with the following analogy: "Thriftville and Squanderville". http://seekingalpha.com/article/69786-t ... true-story

^same as what happened to England

therefore... as i said b4... they want to start war to get out of their present shithole.

korean ship blow is another 911

rickettyrabbit wrote:... if the US decides to stop buying your products?

Americans will not be able to afford even the daily necessities.
Life won't go on

leidelaohu wrote:We did fine. In fact, we did better twenty years ago than we do now, before we had the "advantage" of "cheap Chinese goods."

Maybe i'm wrong, but seems what USA finally will lowering "min wage" for $1000/m or so. Today's world is big village, and or you work for less or GO FUСKING OUT ! Why somebody make $5000 and somebody somewhere make $500 for SAME WORK ? In result, WANT YOU OR NOT, Americans will make that they actually worth and they will live lives what they can affords. Here will be new BEGIN.

If me a President - i will PROHIBIT any kinds of credits. Made money - "flash it" and pay ! No? GTFO!

fWerrF wrote:

rickettyrabbit wrote:... if the US decides to stop buying your products?

Americans will not be able to afford even the daily necessities. Life won't go on

No problems, trailer(and life in) - is american invention.No money- wipe their asses with hands

leidelaohu wrote:

fWerrF wrote:

rickettyrabbit wrote:... if the US decides to stop buying your products?

Americans will not be able to afford even the daily necessities.
Life won't go on

That's a common but false claim also. Maybe I'm too old but guess what ? The US existed twenty years ago. We did fine. In fact, we did better twenty years ago than we do now, before we had the "advantage" of "cheap Chinese goods."

If we could turn back the clock to 1985 we'd be in Fat City.

Of course, we'd have to eliminate Wall Street, the major cause of American financial problems for the past two centuries, but the vast majority of American lives would be greatly improved by that action. That's one reason it's hard for me to get worked up over the WTC destruction. I just wish they'd hit Goldman-Sachs et al instead

If I eat steak and lobster everyday now, and I go broke, I go back eating instant noodles with spams like college days, no problem, I will survive.
But Somethings can not go back.
For many of those "cheap Chinese goods" that's filling up Walmart, Target, Costco and etc, there isn't USA domestic manufactures making the same stuff, they could not compete with the low Chinese pricing so they were out of business long time ago.
Even if they do get back at manufacturing those goods, the price will be much higher, a big percentage of the USA population today are just barely getting by, they can not afford any higher living expense.

P.S. I prοtest that Goldman Sachs comment.