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aLeGna wrote:Does it have to be in China? You can try other countries like the Philippines or India.
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one11 wrote:India is not suitable.

KalanStar wrote:Shanghai is not expensive once you get awawy from downtown. if you want good cheap English speaking staff (3000rmb/month), I suggest relocating to SongJiang New City where the rents are very cheap and their are tons of recent grads from the many universities looking for work.
drunk wrote:one11 wrote:India is not suitable.
If India with $100's median income is not suitable - probably China with $200-$300/m will not work too.
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one11 wrote:India is not suitable for a number of reasons before considering salary. For example, the Indian accent is disliked by a much larger percentage of the Australian population than other asian accents.





yamari wrote:yes Qantas has the worst service and is why they are called **** ass airlines. the first word being a bad word for a part of the female anatomy.

carolina2aus wrote:Customer service is not uniform throughout the West either. Some western countries are far better than others. I'd rate Australia much worse than the US - waiters at restaurants, Qantas flight attendants, you name it - they get downright rude many times down under. So Chinese customer service should suffice for those Australians! Keep the bastards honest as they say in Oz!


nonghagang wrote:Why not South Africa? English is the official language there, even an illiterate person can speak fluent English that beats 99.9% uni grads you'll find in China.

nonghagang wrote:Why not South Africa? English is the official language there, even an illiterate person can speak fluent English that beats 99.9% uni grads you'll find in China. Plus, with such a high unemployment rate in SA, it's not hard to find someone working for you.


beenaroundworld wrote:nonghagang wrote:Why not South Africa? English is the official language there, even an illiterate person can speak fluent English that beats 99.9% uni grads you'll find in China. Plus, with such a high unemployment rate in SA, it's not hard to find someone working for you.
Illiterate person speaks fluent English? Pleez! Don't give me that C-R-A-P.
I strongly disagree with the notion that "just because English is someone's native language, they can speak English very well".
Growing up with a language is just ONE component in achieving fluency. There are several other factors at play, such as intelligence, grasping power, etc. -- And don't give me all that bulshit about "native this" and "native that" -- all those so-called "native" stuff can be picked up quickly, very easily, no big deal. And anyway, the native stuff is just "native" to ONE country or a small region. For example, the British say "you have leave to enter the country" - here, leave means permission! No american will understand this - go figure!
Can South Africans or New Zealanders understand all the subtleties and nuances in Canadian English? No, not unless they get up from their asses and make an effort!
Sure, even a stupid native speaker will talk fast -- but it's just fast crap, fast gibberish, unable to express clearly what he's thinking. They'll keep mixing up "their" and "there" - "know" and "No", they'll screw up the sentence structure - they'll screw up every rule of grammar in the language.
A top student from a top university in Japan or Korea or Hungary will be much better at EVERY aspect of English than an average student at a mediocre university in the US or Canada or UK. Just like some foreigners can speak much better Mandarin than someone at a mediocre Chinese university. To emphasize: Born and growing up with a language is just ONE of several factors to achieve mastery - it just makes things easier, nothing more.

nonghagang wrote:beenaroundworld wrote:nonghagang wrote:Why not South Africa? English is the official language there, even an illiterate person can speak fluent English that beats 99.9% uni grads you'll find in China. Plus, with such a high unemployment rate in SA, it's not hard to find someone working for you.
Illiterate person speaks fluent English? Pleez! Don't give me that C-R-A-P.
I strongly disagree with the notion that "just because English is someone's native language, they can speak English very well".
Growing up with a language is just ONE component in achieving fluency. There are several other factors at play, such as intelligence, grasping power, etc. -- And don't give me all that bulshit about "native this" and "native that" -- all those so-called "native" stuff can be picked up quickly, very easily, no big deal. And anyway, the native stuff is just "native" to ONE country or a small region. For example, the British say "you have leave to enter the country" - here, leave means permission! No american will understand this - go figure!
Can South Africans or New Zealanders understand all the subtleties and nuances in Canadian English? No, not unless they get up from their asses and make an effort!
Sure, even a stupid native speaker will talk fast -- but it's just fast crap, fast gibberish, unable to express clearly what he's thinking. They'll keep mixing up "their" and "there" - "know" and "No", they'll screw up the sentence structure - they'll screw up every rule of grammar in the language.
A top student from a top university in Japan or Korea or Hungary will be much better at EVERY aspect of English than an average student at a mediocre university in the US or Canada or UK. Just like some foreigners can speak much better Mandarin than someone at a mediocre Chinese university. To emphasize: Born and growing up with a language is just ONE of several factors to achieve mastery - it just makes things easier, nothing more.
Gee..seriously dude, you need to relax..Did I say" just because English is someone's native language, they can speak English very well ?", I'm merely offering a suggestion. The OP is looking for cheap labor not rocket science engineer,and a top student from a top university in Japan or Korea or Hungary will NOT work in a call center while being paid lousy wages...

Shinbone wrote:Not all speakers, of course, but they do tend to talk "at" people instead of "to" them. The problem being, of course, overstudy of linguistics and a total neglect of actual use. Sixteen years of English study and the first thing they say is "How! Are! You! Sorry my English."
But more salient to the issue of a Chinese call center would be the cultural tendency towards the business organization being the authority, and the customer being the interruption. The revolving door, cash economy, "Meiyou" culture in which customers need their concerns reframed for their benefits and the provider to do as little as actually possible. Not to mention the absolute dearth of problem-solving capability generalized through the culture. Some things cannot be trained. For example, the will to head off problems before they begin, let alone ability to perceive them. You don't steer the boat, you hit the other boat and then correct.

one11 wrote:Anyway, getting back to the topic, if anyone wants to suggest any China specific cities that would be great.

one11 wrote:Hi,
I am considering moving a back office support office from another country to China. The staff are simply to perform back office related functions and deal with foreign customer support enquiries (email/phone) in relation to a business in the West.
Whilst it would be nice to have in Shanghai, the salary cost would need to be higher than other cities. Whilst I could find cheap staff in a very rural area, it would be hard to find good english speaking staff. So I am looking for suggestions on which city would be best to be able to easily find good english speaking staff at a low/reasonable salary? Someone has suggested to me Chengdu which I will look into. Any other suggested cities?

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