disconbobulated wrote:Why do Chinese people come on this forum, when they don't like foreigners?

disconbobulated wrote:Why do Chinese people come on this forum, when they don't like foreigners?

fWerrF wrote:LOL I didn't real thru the thread, assumed sh1t was hitting the fan

Here is my take.

There are all kinds expats in Shanghai:
Some are management people sent by their company, going to Shanghai might or might not be their willingly choice. (*btw, IMO, this is the real definition of expat, now it's being used loosely, even English teachers are expats *)
Some are corporate peons, coming to Shanghai hoping for better opportunities and making their ways up quicker.
Some are people who are adventurous, who want to experiment different culture, going to Shanghai by choice.
Some are students, thinking China is where future business holds, so coming here to polish their Chinese and get a head start.
Some, let's face it, they have nothing going on for them back home, coming to China for a change and new opportunities, plus it's nice because they are treated as a higher social status, they would never happen back home.

So there you go, you can see why some people are not fond of Shanghai to begin with.

Of course the thing with internet is, it is internet Online personality does not necessarily reflect who they are in person.
Someone might come off like a 1/2 racist who is constantly trashing Shanghai, in real life he/she could be a real nice person and happily live here. Who knows..

Andreas wrote: Actually, you summed that up pretty well. When I came here, it was only professionals, with long proven track records that were sent here. Nowadays it's a lot different. More colourful actually. People from all walks of life. And in a way I think that is good. Mix it all up
After all it is one planet, and nobody 'owns' a country anymore. The more variety the better in my opinion.

shyhi wrote:

Moroes wrote:When I had a soul I sort of hated Shanghai. Then after a few months Shanghai somehow sucked the soul out of me. Now I have no soul so no problem living in this souless city!

good for your growing

Andreas wrote:The more variety the better in my opinion.

Ah Beng wrote:Like many foreigners has long since discover and fell in love with this place. So, don't be misguided by newbie expats rants. It's just an adjusting phase.

hammerforlife wrote:

Ah Beng wrote:Like many foreigners has long since discover and fell in love with this place. So, don't be misguided by newbie expats rants. It's just an adjusting phase.

Hmm not sure about that one. I think you will find that many people who complain have been here a long time. Its certainly not a case of once you have gone through the adjustment phase you will fall in love with Shanghai.

CoffeeHawk_0 wrote:if i was logged on with a fake identity i'd say something like "no, everyone likes shanghai, it's just the chinese people they don't like!"

ya gotta think outside the box

Ykai wrote:

shyhi wrote:

tihZ_hO wrote:DITTO

Shanghai has it moments and most of those moments are not involved with the locals, rather they are involved with other EXPAT friends going out to restaurants, bars, socialising, and generally not mentally being in China. Right?

Have Chinese have become a bit too big for its britches? Twenty years ago there was crap, now after all the investment from overseas has China become a spoiled "Little Emperor? A twenty year old brat full of piss and vinegar who knows everything and doesn't need anyone any more.

You want to hear complaining? Go with a Chinese (trade fair) tour group to another country. We are amateurs.

you obviously don't like Shanghai, i can't figure out why you still in SH?
why not back to your Jakarta hometown ?

I gave you the answers, but you're not listening. Why did you start this thread? It seems you are not looking for an answer but just want to play the old "go back to your own country instead of criticizing another" argument off on us.

I'll nip it in the bud. Criticism is generally meant to improve something, not just to point and laugh. I cannot blame you for not understanding this, because you are Chinese (probably), and this concept is strange to you. But it's true - when 'foreigners' say they don't like it when you spit, push, shout, or are generally being rude, they say it because they wish it were different. Most of us would genuinely be happy to see China change for the better. Criticism is simply pointing out the wrongs that should be right.

So when you go around telling foreigners to "go back home", think of this. We are here for reasons that weigh heavier than the simple like or dislike of a location. We voice discontent because we think there are issues that could change and make China a nicer and better place to live. For us, but probably also for you.

You also seem to be in the illusion that people can just choose to be wherever they want and proceed to... I don't know, bum out? What exactly do you suggest I do, if I go back to my home country? I cannot do my job there, so I would have to look for another. Why would I want that?

Cambronne wrote:Reminds me of an idiotic article I read a few days ago in one of those expat magazines. The GM of some German food company saying that he likes cycling with his kids but did not get used to cars honking to clear the way (in the bicycle lane), but as a guest in this country, he is ok with it. What a nonsense. As a guest in the country, we should accept that hundreds of thousands of people, mostly Chinese, die in the horrendous traffic just because life isnt valued according to local culture (hello Confucius)? Whatever happened to trying to make the world a better place. I am so old-fashioned, Christian and Communist.

Henry_Chinaski wrote:"Now there is just blind nationalism, capitalism, and a general disregard for anyone that isn't family."

I don't think you can say "now". Disregard for anyone that isn't family is 25 centuries old (Confucius). Nationalism? Dowager Cixi ordered the death of all foreigners in the early 1900s.

"Communists" are just another dynasty, no more, no less.

Everything is morphing to where it was before, after a period of infomercial-intense sales of a "system" that would "rectify" the tragedies of a system that was doomed by design.

They had their chances with the Legalists, but they were beheaded, and buried with their heads were the hope of any chance of the Western definition of "normal". To blame Communism on it is as convenient as it's dumb.

root wrote:

Henry_Chinaski wrote:"Now there is just blind nationalism, capitalism, and a general disregard for anyone that isn't family."

I don't think you can say "now". Disregard for anyone that isn't family is 25 centuries old (Confucius). Nationalism? Dowager Cixi ordered the death of all foreigners in the early 1900s.

"Communists" are just another dynasty, no more, no less.

Everything is morphing to where it was before, after a period of infomercial-intense sales of a "system" that would "rectify" the tragedies of a system that was doomed by design.

They had their chances with the Legalists, but they were beheaded, and buried with their heads were the hope of any chance of the Western definition of "normal". To blame Communism on it is as convenient as it's dumb.

I'm glad what you begin understand the system. After additional time of thinking you may get some parallels with .. Osvenzim.