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by **masamune** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:33 am

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?i ... e=Business

whats next? would vpn help?

by **Tanna** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:53 am

Oh dear. What will that do for business in China?

by **Gay_Chevara** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:59 am

Oh great.

Where can I pick up Net Hoes now?

by **Tanna** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:01 am

Gay_Chevara wrote:Oh great.

Where can I pick up Net Hoes now?

But QQ of course.

by **victorinchina** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:10 am

"It's ridiculous," said Kan Kaili, a professor at Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications. "VoIP is a popular technology worldwide."

That's the last anyone have heard from him....

by **binky** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:41 am

Best repost it here, in case the article gets taken down:

Published on ShanghaiDaily.com (http://www.shanghaidaily.com/)
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?i ... e=Business

VoIP decision means Skype now illegal
Created: 2010-12-30
Author:Zhu Shenshen

THE Chinese regulator has declared Internet phone services other than those provided by China Telecom and China Unicom as illegal, which is expected to make services like Skype unavailable in the country.

The decision was criticized as a measure to protect the duopoly of state-owned telecom carriers, media reports said yesterday.

The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology said all VoIP (voice over Internet protocol) phone services are illegal on the Chinese mainland, except those provided by telecommunications carriers China Telecom and China Uniom. The ministry gave no timetable on when the ruling takes effect.

VoIP is an Internet-based service that helps people save on phone calls. For example, a call to Japan or South Korea costs about 3.99 yuan (60 US cents) a minute, compared with 10 US cents a minute or even free for Skype users.

The decision is expected to make Skype, UUCall and other similar services unavailable in China.

"It's ridiculous," said Kan Kaili, a professor at Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications. "VoIP is a popular technology worldwide."

Skype was not available to comment yesterday.

The ruling is designed to protect the state-owned carriers, a Xinhua report said.

by **Gay_Chevara** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:42 am

YOU pay my rent.

Cos you be my bitch, bitch.

by **rocco72** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:35 am

there are so many voip providers, they're not going to block all of them..

by **masamune** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:11 am

would skype work through VPN?

by **binky** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:24 am

rocco72 wrote:there are so many voip providers, they're not going to block all of them..

They don't need to block them all.

Just the ones most people's friends and family use (including mine.) Which won't be hard to identify, most likely.

Obviously, this is not just about protecting China Telecom's business.

Uncontrolled VoIP, instant messaging and Video Conferencing are huge holes in the government's control over communication.

I'll bet BitTorrent will not be far behind. Notice that the government said it will start to get serious about protecting copywrites? Well, there's your legal and moral justification.

And then? Maybe ever 3rd party E-mail providers.

Impossible? People used to say that about the Great Fire Wall, and yet.... :roll:

by **Cylon** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:26 am

Skype being illegal does not mean it would be blocked...

by **cheezebuster** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:39 am

prostitution is illegal.

by **MoonOverMiami** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:41 am

Didn't they just raise the price of (legal) satellite tv at Yanlord by 1000% because it is state owned?

by **OregonTransplant** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:43 am

masamune wrote:would skype work through VPN?

Yes. I perpetually keep the VPN from my router up to my office back in the states. Skype on it all the time. All a VPN does is encrypt your traffic between you and the router you're connected to. Your traffic then exits their gateway appearing that you are located wherever that network is. "Working" all depends on how much bandwidth your vpn provider has and how saturated it is.

by **findus** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:57 pm

All hail The Great Motherland and it's Infinitely Recurring Retardation Leap Forward!

by **tihZ_hO** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:40 pm

rocco72 wrote:there are so many voip providers, they're not going to block all of them..

They don't have to, they just block the VoIP traffic.

This right here is the most important thing foreign companies should be thinking of when they are considering coming to China to "tap China's vast market potential".

The ruling is designed to protect the state-owned carriers, a Xinhua report

There is no serious market in China for foreign companies as the house always wins. :wink:

by **tihZ_hO** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:43 pm

findus wrote:All hail The Great Motherland and it's Infinitely Recurring Retardation Leap Forward!

by **tihZ_hO** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:30 pm

OregonTransplant wrote:
masamune wrote:would skype work through VPN?

Yes. I perpetually keep the VPN from my router up to my office back in the states. Skype on it all the time. All a VPN does is encrypt your traffic between you and the router you're connected to. Your traffic then exits their gateway appearing that you are located wherever that network is. "Working" all depends on how much bandwidth your vpn provider has and how saturated it is.

Don't put too much faith in VPN service in China. Limiting VPN traffic is possible which explains why VPN services in China slow to a crawl every so often for no apparent reason. China can, if it decides to, effectively block VPN service by slowing it to a crawl.

Maybe this should not come as a surprise. China's economy's in trouble despite all the smoke and mirrors so perhaps China is preparing for possible unrest and instability if there is an economic hard landing. Yeah?

by **binky** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:56 pm

tihZ_hO wrote:Maybe this should not come as a surprise. China's economy's in trouble despite all the smoke and mirrors so perhaps China is preparing for possible unrest and instability if there is an economic hard landing. Yeah?

Exactly. Its all about control. The fact that it will favor home grown business is a welcome side benefit.

As I said, we are all employees of China, Inc., and our working hours are 24/7. Skype is a security risk and adds no value for them, so why do you assume you'll be allowed to use it while you are "at work?"

Everything you do should have a clear business purpose and contribute to their bottom line. Nothing you do should interfere with their goals or cause a potential security risk. Otherwise, expect that it will be eventually blocked and prohibited by your employer, the Chinese government.

This is a communist country. That means we are all employees of the State from cradle to grave, 24/7. This is a fact that some people seem to have forgotten. But it is a fact, and they are fully capable of enforcing their rights when they so chose.

by **Handoogies2.0** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:06 pm

MoonOverMiami wrote:Didn't they just raise the price of (legal) satellite tv at Yanlord by 1000% because it is state owned?

No, the retarded new policy is that when a complex applies for satellite, the fee will be as if EvEryone signes up for it. So say 100rmb x 1000 units, thats 100000 rmb, and if only 250 units sign up, it would be 100000 divided by 250, which would be 400rmb a month per household, per month. Yanlord has over three thousand units, so a real estimate would be in the thousands per month. So now Im stuck with watching Bloomberg instead of CNN, which in turn has actually made me realise how lowbrow the discourse on CNN was.

by **victorinchina** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:09 pm

Handoogies2.0 wrote:
MoonOverMiami wrote:Didn't they just raise the price of (legal) satellite tv at Yanlord by 1000% because it is state owned?

No, the retarded new policy is that when a complex applies for satellite, the fee will be as if EvEryone signes up for it. So say 100rmb x 1000 units, thats 100000 rmb, and if only 250 units sign up, it would be 100000 divided by 250, which would be 400rmb a month per household, per month. Yanlord has over three thousand units, so a real estimate would be in the thousands per month. So now Im stuck with watching Bloomberg instead of CNN, which in turn has actually made me realise how lowbrow the discourse on CNN was.

Sorry, but that's some of the most retarded yet funniest **** I've read in a long time.... HAHAHAHA

TIC... Not meant to make any sense...

by **tihZ_hO** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:05 pm

victorinchina wrote:
Handoogies2.0 wrote:
MoonOverMiami wrote:Didn't they just raise the price of (legal) satellite tv at Yanlord by 1000% because it is state owned?

No, the retarded new policy is that when a complex applies for satellite, the fee will be as if EvEryone signes up for it. So say 100rmb x 1000 units, thats 100000 rmb, and if only 250 units sign up, it would be 100000 divided by 250, which would be 400rmb a month per household, per month. Yanlord has over three thousand units, so a real estimate would be in the thousands per month. So now Im stuck with watching Bloomberg instead of CNN, which in turn has actually made me realise how lowbrow the discourse on CNN was.

Sorry, but that's some of the most retarded yet funniest **** I've read in a long time.... HAHAHAHA

TIC... Not meant to make any sense...

As I understand it, this is how hotels get charged for satellite or cable TV, its based on how many rooms it has. A hotel takes its occupancy rate, divides that against the satellite or cable TV charges for all the rooms and adds that to its room charge. What screws this up if the occupancy rate drops well below the figure which was used to calculate the charge.

Perhaps this is a TIC workaround for how residents can legally receive satellite TV in China by applying as a "hotel". However if say an apartment complex has 3000 units and a lot are not occupied or many residents haven't opted for the service the monthly charge would be very high.

by **KopyKatKiller** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:29 pm

tihZ_hO wrote:
OregonTransplant wrote:
masamune wrote:would skype work through VPN?

Yes. I perpetually keep the VPN from my router up to my office back in the states. Skype on it all the time. All a VPN does is encrypt your traffic between you and the router you're connected to. Your traffic then exits their gateway appearing that you are located wherever that network is. "Working" all depends on how much bandwidth your vpn provider has and how saturated it is.

Don't put too much faith in VPN service in China. Limiting VPN traffic is possible which explains why VPN services in China slow to a crawl every so often for no apparent reason. China can, if it decides to, effectively block VPN service by slowing it to a crawl.

Maybe this should not come as a surprise. China's economy's in trouble despite all the smoke and mirrors so perhaps China is preparing for possible unrest and instability if there is an economic hard landing. Yeah?

They can limit VPN. It's as simple as adding the servers VPN companies use to their "The connection reset" system... But they won't. Why? Because almost all foreign companies connect to their home offices using an internal VPN, and commercial VPN's are used by many foreign reps in China as a way to ensure their private business communications are not stolen by Chinese or other foreign entities. Want the Chinese economy to grind to halt, just block VPN services... And besides, how would Chinese newspapers update their Twitter feeds???

If China ever goes too far in their censorship/internet controlling, the rest of the world can just pull the plug on China's access to the external http://www...

by **tihZ_hO** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:40 am

KopyKatKiller wrote:
tihZ_hO wrote:
OregonTransplant wrote:
masamune wrote:would skype work through VPN?

Yes. I perpetually keep the VPN from my router up to my office back in the states. Skype on it all the time. All a VPN does is encrypt your traffic between you and the router you're connected to. Your traffic then exits their gateway appearing that you are located wherever that network is. "Working" all depends on how much bandwidth your vpn provider has and how saturated it is.

Don't put too much faith in VPN service in China. Limiting VPN traffic is possible which explains why VPN services in China slow to a crawl every so often for no apparent reason. China can, if it decides to, effectively block VPN service by slowing it to a crawl.

Maybe this should not come as a surprise. China's economy's in trouble despite all the smoke and mirrors so perhaps China is preparing for possible unrest and instability if there is an economic hard landing. Yeah?

They can limit VPN. It's as simple as adding the servers VPN companies use to their "The connection reset" system... But they won't. Why? Because almost all foreign companies connect to their home offices using an internal VPN, and commercial VPN's are used by many foreign reps in China as a way to ensure their private business communications are not stolen by Chinese or other foreign entities. Want the Chinese economy to grind to halt, just block VPN services... And besides, how would Chinese newspapers update their Twitter feeds???

If China ever goes too far in their censorship/internet controlling, the rest of the world can just pull the plug on China's access to the external http://www...

China does not give a flying fcuk about foreign company's VPN because it didn't stop them from declaring any NON Chinese VoIP illegal such as Skype. Don't you think foreign companies also use VoIP??

Chinese economy IS grinding to a halt what else can it do when its trading partners such as the US are in recession?

by **KopyKatKiller** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:02 am

^^Actually foreign companies typically just use the normal phone lines as voip is not all that secure... and they have the cash to pay for it of course. VOIP is for people to poor to pay a phone bill... Manly, Chinese people and cheap skate expats...

by **victorinchina** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:18 am

KopyKatKiller wrote:^^Actually foreign companies typically just use the normal phone lines as voip is not all that secure... and they have the cash to pay for it of course. VOIP is for people to poor to pay a phone bill... Manly, Chinese people and cheap skate expats...

Again you're speaking out your arse KY... (wait... you're arse)

by **binky** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:31 am

I suspect that video calling, rather than VoIP, is the real reason why the government is taking action now:

For example, "Skype for iPhone adds two-way video calling" http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-20026803-233.html

Why is this such a big deal?

Well, consider what will happen the next time there is a so-called "mass action or disturbance", and someone in the crowd just happens to have a smartphone with Skype installed. He Skypes his friend, who just happens to have an application for recording Skype video chats (yes, they exist.)

OK, now the government's got a massive problem. No more plausible denyability: the whole world can potentially see exactly what really happened.

Before, if they saw someone doing something suspicious with his smartphone, they could detain him, confiscate the phone and delete the offending contents (assuming they ever return it or release the person.) Now, that won't work anymore, because everything has already been transmitted in real time, potentially outside the country.

Everything upto and including, potentially, the arrest of the crowd and the person doing the videoing. Now, if that people disappear or gets charged with crimes, there are non-government witnesses and evidence.

Which is why Skype and all similar services will most likely be blocked in the future. China Telecom's profits have little or nothing to do with it...

by **Mr Totomolo** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:58 am

HUmmm

Binky, you may have a point.
However, if someone is truly willing to record "disturbances" and has enough dough to buy a smartphone with skype enabled transmission, he could as well buy this kind of stuff which is freely available in China (I got this unsolicited offer in the mail few days agao )

And for all who lament skype possible blockade, you still can use:
Gizmo5
oovoo
VoIP buster
ComBots
Sightspeed
YM messenger
MSN Messenger
etc...

by **KopyKatKiller** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:13 am

victorinchina wrote:
KopyKatKiller wrote:^^Actually foreign companies typically just use the normal phone lines as voip is not all that secure... and they have the cash to pay for it of course. VOIP is for people to poor to pay a phone bill... Manly, Chinese people and cheap skate expats...

Again you're speaking out your arse KY... (wait... you're arse)

I guess we know now you're a cheap skate expat working for a two bit company... I for one, am not surprised...

binky wrote:Well, consider what will happen the next time there is a so-called "mass action or disturbance", and someone in the crowd just happens to have a smartphone with Skype installed. He Skypes his friend, who just happens to have an application for recording Skype video chats (yes, they exist.)

OK, now the government's got a massive problem. No more plausible denyability: the whole world can potentially see exactly what really happened.

I agree with Mr T... You may be right, although I think that less nefarious motivations are behind the move... One doesn't need a smart phone to record and send video after all, any phone with a camera can record and send video with its texting service... Probably it is just a law developed to allow some companies connected to the government to profit, like 99% of the other information control methods employed in the PRC...

by **victorinchina** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:16 am

KopyKatKiller wrote:
victorinchina wrote:
KopyKatKiller wrote:^^Actually foreign companies typically just use the normal phone lines as voip is not all that secure... and they have the cash to pay for it of course. VOIP is for people to poor to pay a phone bill... Manly, Chinese people and cheap skate expats...

Again you're speaking out your arse KY... (wait... you're arse)

I guess we know now you're a cheap skate expat working for a two bit company... I for one, am not surprised...

Yeah, I wish I was an English teacher / Project Manager / in process of opening my own school guy like you... :lol:

Did you get preggers yet?

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