Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China? - You should be!

Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China? - You should be!

Postby Stratos » Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:15 pm

My new GF is a medical student at Peking University medical school and she is specializing in infectuous diseases. We were celebrating New Years with some of her colleagues when the alcohol took over and the truth about China's Hepatitis epidemic became the topic of conversation.

They were arguing over whether the "true infection rate" was 22% or 25%! They admitted that The HVC Hep C strain is being spread like a wild fire and said that reusable plastic chopsticks should be banned since most restaurant owners will not spend the money to buy an autoclave or even a commercial steamer needed to sterilize the eating utensils. One of the guys pulled this up on Google and it made me wonder how many times I ate at that popular chain that claims it feeds 1 million people every hour in China! (over 300 locations) http://www.echinacities.com/news/Yoshin ... Dinnerware

At the WHO website, they say China has the highest Hepatitis infection rate in the world but that the Chinese government stopped reporting the actual infection rate a few years ago. Anyway, if you are not infected yet, STOP USING PLASTIC CHOPSTICKS!
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby Shanghai Noob » Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:40 pm

Peking University medical school teach that the primary transmission route for Hep C is chopsticks do they?!?

Are you sure...
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby maimai83 » Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:43 pm

lol, here comes bruce gorcyca, again with his crazy nonsense.

look bruce, i get it, you're stuck in this shithole and your passport is about to expire. you've got what? 1 year left on it? maybe 2? and then off you go, deported back to the US where you then get to face the felonies you fled from.
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby rickettyrabbit » Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:22 pm

Stratos wrote:My new GF is a medical student at Peking University medical school and she is specializing in infectuous diseases. We were celebrating New Years with some of her colleagues when the alcohol took over and the truth about China's Hepatitis epidemic became the topic of conversation.

They were arguing over whether the "true infection rate" was 22% or 25%! They admitted that The HVC Hep C strain is being spread like a wild fire and said that reusable plastic chopsticks should be banned since most restaurant owners will not spend the money to buy an autoclave or even a commercial steamer needed to sterilize the eating utensils. One of the guys pulled this up on Google and it made me wonder how many times I ate at that popular chain that claims it feeds 1 million people every hour in China! (over 300 locations) http://www.echinacities.com/news/Yoshin ... Dinnerware

At the WHO website, they say China has the highest Hepatitis infection rate in the world but that the Chinese government stopped reporting the actual infection rate a few years ago. Anyway, if you are not infected yet, STOP USING PLASTIC CHOPSTICKS!


Let's take another look at this, shall we?

Hepatitis C virus now represents a global viral pandemic and is the fourth most commonly reported infectious disease in China. Information on China's national HCV epidemic was limited to cross -sectional seroprevalence studies of special populations, and a national surveillance effort had been launched to inform prevention and control.

We analysed novel data from two national databases: (i) China's national medical HCV case report system and (ii) the national disease sentinel surveillance system. Between 1997 and 2012, reporting incidence of medical cases for HCV infection rose from 0.7 to 15.0 cases per 100 000 with the largest burden of disease concentrated among individuals over 35 years of age, rural residents and those tested as part of routine screening.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25131856

15 cases per 100,000 isn't quite 23 or 25%.
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby Rooster » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:43 am

This will be another "Fun With Statistics" thread but 23 dead expats out of 60,000 is enough evidence for me. Even if the Chinese government hired 20 consulting firms to spin the stats a hundred different ways. Hepatitis is spread 12 different ways - through any and every body fluid - including saliva. How many Chinese chicks have you kissed?

Most people are ignorant about Hep and think they can only get it through sex or needles. In China it is indeed transmitted through unsterilized dinnerware and sharing foods, bottles, etc. http://www.echinacities.com/news/Yoshin ... Dinnerware

Yoshinoya is a chain restaurant of over 300 locations and they finally had to admit that only about two dozen of their locations actually spent money to sterilize chopsticks and glasses. In the West we use automatic dishwashers that use 400 degree steam or autoclaves. In China they used to use a 10% bleach solution until the bleach prices soared. Now it is just a roll of the dice.
Yoshinoya boasts that it feeds 1 million people an hour in China at its many chain locations that are popular with foreigners.


In saliva the HCV pathogen can live for 72 hours outside the human body - 48 hours on a dry surface (Chopsticks, bottles, glasses, cups, forks, spoons, etc). Yoshinoya was just one restaurant caught and exposed. How many of the other 1.8 million restaurants in China were not caught, or caught and then covered-up with a few bribes?

Also keep in mind that 5% of China's blood supply is tainted by Hep C so 1 in 20 blood transfusion recipients are at risk http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/731/

"Statistically, as many people are infected with HCV as are with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Without large scale efforts to contain the spread of HCV and treat infected populations, the death rate from hepatitis C will surpass that of AIDS by the turn of the century and will only get worse. "


Also the CDC estimates that at least 30% of China's Hep cases are never even diagnosed until autopsy because only pregnant women in tier one cities are required to get a blood test and most Chinese otherwise cannot afford one unless they are getting a body-check for health insurance provided by their employer. http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/h/hepatit ... ountry.htm

No matter what the true infection rate in China turns out to be, the Chinese government would not hide it if it were not the real epidemic WHO and Doctors Without Borders claim that it is.

I guess the good news is that you can live 5 to 10 years even after you get infected and it only makes you super tired and not many people will know you have a contagious disease outside of your own family until the last six months of your life. BTW... According to WHO one in every four people infected with HCV will die. So it is not 100% fatal - only 25% fatal. I always try to see the glass that is half full.
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby windyday » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:13 pm

Hep C can only be spread through blood. Liver problems which are caused by Hep C should be quite easily picked up from a routine blood test (AST/ALT) that costs just 30 rmb in any hospital.
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby Stratos » Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:55 pm

You are right - Hepatitis's C is transmitted by blood and other body fluids and even sharing toothbrushes and eating utensils. Here are the symptoms I copied from Medicinenet.com and Healthline.com

What Are the Signs and Symptoms of Hepatitis C?

"About 70% to 80% of people with hepatitis C infection do not have any symptoms, especially in the early stages. In these people, symptoms may develop years, even decades later, when liver damage occurs. Others develop symptoms between 2 weeks to 6 months after infection. The average time to develop symptoms is 6 to 7 weeks after acquiring the virus. Those newly infected with hepatitis C may experience mild-to-severe fever, fatigue, abdominal pain, loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, joint pain, dark urine, clay-colored stool, and yellowing of the skin (jaundice). A person who has hepatitis C infection but isn't exhibiting any symptoms can still pass the virus on to others."

http://www.healthline.com/health-slides ... contagious
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby rickettyrabbit » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:17 pm

Rooster wrote:This will be another "Fun With Statistics" thread but 23 dead expats out of 60,000 is enough evidence for me.


It's always good to know the real risks, not the BS "23 or 25%" number bandied about by drunk med students and their alarmist friend. I'm not sure where you got the 23 dead out of 60,000, though. Of course, it implies that 59,977 out of 60,000 expats lived.

My sister had Hep C, so I am familiar with its difficulties and complications. Her doctors could never prove where she got it, but suspect her dentist didn't autoclave his tools. It turned out that he was a drug addict whose business failed when he could not pay his bills.

She was treated and survived it with no lasting ill effects, but it is very serious and potentially fatal.

If 15 out of 100,000 have it, assuming they live normal lives eating in restaurants, drinking in bars, etc., one's risk of contacting the virus in a year is probably much higher than 15 in 100,000.
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby Shanghai Noob » Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:55 am

Stratos. You're lying and scaremongering.

Hep C is mainly spread blood to blood. Mainly shared needles (drugs and tattoos), poor medical practices and yes, possibly contaminated dental equipment, blood transfusions etc. It's also sensible to avoid things that could have blood on them like razors, toothbrushes and unprotected anal sex with unknown partners.

There is no evidence that bodily fluids (like saliva, sweat etc) are the primary route for passing Hep C. There is no evidence to support transmission through cooking utensils, chopsticks, snogging Chinese girls.

Yes, you should be vaccinated for Hep A and B before coming to China but lying and scaremongering about Hep C (which doesn't have a vaccine) doesn't help anyone.

https://www.nhsdirect.wales.nhs.uk/ency ... hepatitisc
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China - You should be

Postby Rooster » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:02 pm

Stratos cited his sources and they are legit. Why would he lie about such a dreadful thing as Hep C? Yes, blood is the most common channel of infection but not the only way. My cousin got Hep C from a tattoo needle and there are over a thousand documented cases of people who were infected from sharing eating utensils. I think we should all know about the risks of using plastic chopsticks in China. I recall that the owner of Yoshinoya was sent to prison for a year and now all their locations offer disposable cups and chopsticks at the counter by government order. That speaks volumes in my book.

Both Hep B and Hep C can be transmitted through "body fluids" (not just blood) and indeed through saliva and even oral sex. You are living in the dark ages if you still think that blood transfusions are the only way to get infected.

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/hepatiti ... ndex1.html

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/a ... ed-to-know

http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012 ... 745511.htm

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china ... 150893.htm

http://www.china.org.cn/china/2013-02/0 ... 900167.htm

I personally will never use plastic chopsticks again as long as I breathe air. I will probably avoid using reusable drinking cups in China as well. For me, paper cups and throw-away wooden chopsticks is the safe way to go. I am not going to play Russian Roulette with my health whether the infection rate is 10% or 25% when it costs me nothing to request disposable stuff at a restaurant.
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Re: Are YOU worried about Hepatitis in China? - You should b

Postby Stratos » Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:18 pm

Tonight on CCTV news the health minister of Helionjiang Province probably gave himself a prison sentence when he admitted that the blood banks of China are all tainted with Hep B and Hep C and said Hepatitis is "out of control" in China. These two links are self-explanatory; http://www.worldcat.org/title/viral-hep ... c/24246547 and http://120.52.72.38/www.hepb.org/c3pr90 ... hapter.pdf
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