by michellem415 » Thu May 27, 2010 6:58 am
by rickettyrabbit » Thu May 27, 2010 7:41 am
by Stark » Thu May 27, 2010 8:06 am
by Klick » Thu May 27, 2010 8:16 am
by donkeykong » Thu May 27, 2010 8:40 am
by haimenteach » Thu May 27, 2010 12:28 pm
by nrgfink » Thu May 27, 2010 12:41 pm
donkeykong wrote:Unless you want to go into language training as a career (as opposed to teaching), take the position with a legit international school. In this case, you deserve higher pay given your credentials.
by aoki » Thu May 27, 2010 4:27 pm
by JasUK » Thu May 27, 2010 5:04 pm
by jefferson » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:39 pm
by Andreas » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:50 pm
by ElGatoNegro » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:32 am
by Davexuhui » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:52 am
by Shinbone » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:15 pm
by Davexuhui » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:24 pm
Shinbone wrote:Having several family members employed by the Disney theme park, understanding their level of training commitment, and having taught ESL in China, I can safely say that these are 2 entirely different company cultures. From jefferson's description the school sounds typical of local management; ie, the teacher being the product and not actually part of the staff, except for the trotting out part (and sudden, fake, important-sounding titles and "face" for marketing). But hey, in a way it's like putting on a big oversized head and playing goofy. Or is that Mickey Mouse?
What is being sold is more likely not aptitudes development (or else the teacher would at least be a part of the discussion), but a) parental overload, and b) the subjugation of international economy to Chinese ethnonational entitlement. This is why most (if not all) have kept the status of foreign teacher to little more than hand puppet. Is that what a degree is worth these days? To have your schedule controlled by the receptionist? To work for no benefits nor legal recourse? To be little more than an object? To be forbidden to hold teacher's meetings? To be afforded human dignity or not depending on the whim of a national? To work with people who delight in the failings and negative stereotypes of your home country? If you have the stomach for it you can do some good; but you either have to have frontier fortitude or an iron liver. Or - low standards. No, it's not all like that. But the pool isn't all piss either, still want to go swimming?
ESL in China is a job, not a career. The organizing principles are not improvement and stakeholding. No matter the academic costs, nor the costs of alienating your own staff. They are recruitment and budget starvation. Have an exit strategy. 2 years would seem to be a useful period before the international career benefit starts to level off. I'm not saying don't do it, it can be very rewarding. I'm saying, it ain't modern no matter how slick the interior design.
by nongminbongren » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:02 pm
by Chavster » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:48 pm
jefferson wrote:I've noticed a lot of concerned people on other forums commenting on the dominating cultural influence of Disney. Here's my response: I currently work for Disney English in Shanghai. The fact of the matter is, there's a market for the Disney brand here and we can't quite expect a company like the Walt Disney Corporation to fail to exploit a willing market niche if it will expand their waistlines, cultural homogenization be damned.
The most pernicious thing about the Disney Corporation in China, from my perspective, is the awful manner in which corporate protocol, efficiency, and the profit margins lay waste to any semblance of decency regarding the workers here. Tens of "cast members", including myself, gave up jobs, kissed families goodbye, and uprooted our lives to work for Disney based on blatant lies that recruiters spat regarding vacation allowances (5 paid vacation days per year and you work on Thanksgiving, throughout the Christmas holiday; that was a revelation), compensation, working hours, you name it.
Most of our benefits and compensation (especially time off, overtime, etc.) are below industry standard, from what I gather in the teaching communities here in Asia. Also, Disney will not list benefits for employees in the contract. They don't want to put it in writing; what they will put it writing is "all benefits are subject to the discretion of your direct line manager."
Each new contract that comes out is different from the last, and offers less and less to look forward to. They've just changed the policy from a reasonable 30 days notice; now you have to give them three months' notice in advance of your quitting.
Teachers here have not been reimbursed for funds spent to acquire a health check and other standard procedures that Disney requires. Employees are urged to take precautions to check if promised reimbursements ever make it into our accounts. Make sure to copy your forms, because if Disney loses them (fairly common occurrence, here), they will not take you at your word regarding the money they owe you.
Taking sick days is openly discouraged because it is very difficult to get coverage for people's classes. Disney can't keep on substitute teachers because their full-time stock is so transient, they have no other option but to hire would-be substitutes on full-time. You cannot simply take the requisite time you need to rest. Disney doesn't trust you, and so forces you to seek medical attention for even those child-acquired illnesses that only require bed rest and fluids. Thus, we are expected to pay sometimes outrageous hospital fees out of our meager salary. Three visits to the doctor because you had a nasty cold and didn't want to infect your students? How about you pay the man 6000 RMB, minimum.
Furthermore, Disney English, at least in the Shanghai region, has an uncanny knack of hiring teachers for managerial positions; teachers with no managerial skills, very little people skills, and poor communication practices. Please, if you are at all interested in acquiring a job here or anywhere, get a thorough feel for the type of management system you'll be forced into. My colleagues and I did not get a choice, and this greatly reduced the amount of clear information we could obtain about our working environments before we signed on.
Rest assured, however, that the Disney environment is thoroughly Corporate. Expect your good work to be rewarded with more work and very little thanks. Expect your less-than-stellar work to be met with persistent, distrusting micromanagement, written warnings, and passive aggressiveness. Expect to continually feel vaguely put upon by upper management, to be thoroughly alienated from any job title that carries more weight than yours, and to have your pushes for innovation funneled through an endless bout of (thoroughly inefficient and demoralizing) chains of command, form letters, open-ended presentations, and eventually non-implementation.
The company is desperate to fill its pockets with money and expand as rapidly as possible-- so much so that they are currently running into trouble because people are quitting before they fulfill their contracts.
The Walt Disney Company is renowned for its customer service, and this makes sense when you see the profit incentive in it. What Disney English needs to learn is that honest and responsive human resources are equally good markers to strive for. This isn't a theme park in Anaheim or Orlando with fifty schmucks willing to sign up any day in the week. This is a job in China that requires certified teachers willing to leave kin and kind behind for something completely unknown. Frankly, we deserve better.
by Klick » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:51 pm
Chavster wrote:Sounds typical of any big-franchised company. It's exactly what I would have expected.
by ToTheMoon » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:00 pm
by lb51 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:50 pm
by miss_t » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:59 am
ToTheMoon wrote:The truth is, teachers don't make a lot of money but the rewards are free time, which Disney doesn't offer,
by johnny_tropicana » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:15 am
by superacidjax » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:44 am
1... cultural homogenization be damned. <snip>
2. Tens of "cast members", including myself, gave up jobs, kissed families goodbye, and uprooted our lives to work for Disney based on blatant lies that recruiters spat regarding vacation allowances (5 paid vacation days per year and you work on Thanksgiving, throughout the Christmas holiday; that was a revelation), compensation, working hours, you name it.
3. Most of our benefits and compensation (especially time off, overtime, etc.) are below industry standard, from what I gather in the teaching communities here in Asia. <snip>
4. Three visits to the doctor because you had a nasty cold and didn't want to infect your students? How about you pay the man 6000 RMB, minimum. <snip>
5. Rest assured, however, that the Disney environment is thoroughly Corporate. Expect your good work to be rewarded with more work and very little thanks. Expect your less-than-stellar work to be met with persistent, distrusting micromanagement, written warnings, and passive aggressiveness. <snip>
6. This is a job in China that requires certified teachers willing to leave kin and kind behind for something completely unknown. Frankly, we deserve better.
by angelfire » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:46 am
by Davexuhui » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:41 pm
by Davexuhui » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:39 pm
by monalisalee » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:53 am
by Handoogies2.0 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:09 am
News_by_KKO wrote:Sounds like a match for OP! Sign on up! The world will be your oyster!
Yeah I was freelanced cameraman for Disney/ABC news. They paid when they paid and when they didn't it sucked. Was no better then anywhere else...
But, it did rock to get a check with the Micky Mouse & Disney logo and the job description as something like "Multi fatal school bus crash" or "Prom teen gang rape". The other cameraman and I used to compete to see who could get the most appalling job description on their check with the Mouse logo.
Little piece dark inside the news business tidbit for you all.
by Handoogies2.0 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:11 am
by disconbobulated » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:27 am